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Banning internal combustion engines

Postby AlexB » Sun Nov 06, 2016 10:58 am

The global powers are planning to ban cars, as we know them now, by 2030. They will become electric and to a great extent self-driving gadgets whose road time will be rented from the same guys together with the battery packs. The same is with motorcycles, which will not require helmets any longer due to electronic control eliminating the human freedom to make mistakes (see the second link). Basically it's a matter of mobility of the powers vs mobility of people.

https://www.roadandtrack.com/new-cars/fu ... s-by-2030/

https://youtu.be/Sb_b1mqoHEw

To stop this madness we did our best with Brexit; now it's the turn of the Americans to choose their side. If the sick granny comes to power, Brexit may not happen and the hell may break loose (literally):
https://youtu.be/qfL5KwUuvMc

A calm analysis of the situation by a philosopher who wrote a few books on ethics:
https://youtu.be/GN_FOCF3vIQ

Some people in the know are pessimistic in their predictions - the dark force is just too strong...
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Re: Banning internal combustion problem

Postby snapdragon » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:09 pm

The NWO is on the run, the goyim are on the march. Russia, then UK now USA have woken up to the criminal elite. UBER and google can stick their automobile subscription services.

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Re: Banning internal combustion problem

Postby q292u » Mon Nov 14, 2016 9:26 pm

If you live in a city, you will use self driving electric vehicles. Vehicles running on the remains of long-dead reptiles will be banned from all city centres very soon, and it will spread from there. Get over it.
Get yourself a Tesla, a solarcity (Tesla again) house roof and a powerwall. The future is (almost) here.

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Re: Banning internal combustion engines

Postby AlexB » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:01 pm

Regarding the long-dead reptiles... It seems that natural gas and possibly oil, at least some of the resources, may be generated in the Earth's mantle somehow. There may (speculative at the moment) be much more fuel under the ground than we think. They call it abiotic hydrocarbons.

These are a few sources.
https://www.nature.com/news/2004/040913/ ... 913-5.html
https://str.llnl.gov/str/JulAug05/Fried.html
https://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/41889/In ... mation.pdf
https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/d ... TEXT01.pdf

I don't mind electric cars, actually, as long as they are competing in the market on equal terms with the others.

As for Tesla Motors, they make pretty cars fuelled by government subsidies...
https://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-h ... story.html
and incentives...
https://www.tesla.com/en_GB/support/incentives
...while taxing petrol (pretty much everybody else) at £0.58 per litre plus 20% VAT plus income tax.
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Re: Banning internal combustion engines

Postby q292u » Tue Nov 15, 2016 8:59 pm

AlexB wrote:Regarding the long-dead reptiles... It seems that natural gas and possibly oil, at least some of the resources, may be generated in the Earth's mantle somehow. There may (speculative at the moment) be much more fuel under the ground than we think. They call it abiotic hydrocarbons.

These are a few sources.
https://www.nature.com/news/2004/040913/ ... 913-5.html
https://str.llnl.gov/str/JulAug05/Fried.html
https://cdn.intechopen.com/pdfs/41889/In ... mation.pdf
https://www.diva-portal.org/smash/get/d ... TEXT01.pdf
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Either way, it's still burning carbon compounds just like we used to when we lived in caves.
Time to move on.

Whether we like it or not electric vehicles are the future.

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Re: Banning internal combustion engines

Postby AlexB » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:16 pm

In caves people were burning wood at 16.2 MJ/kg energy density (and with very low efficiency due to drafts). These days we burn petrol in cars at 46.4 MJ/kg energy density and up to 30% efficiency minus transmission losses at about 15%. Electric cars are quite efficient at about 80%, but the energy density of a modern lithium battery is 0.4-0.9 MJ/kg, which is a marked improvement over a led-acid battery at 0.17 MJ/kg (like in milk floats and early electric vehicles). This kind of 50x difference translates into a different profile of usage.

Then comes the price. The battery packs are quite expensive and have to be replaced/rented. Without subsidies there will be at least no cost advantage, and the paid money will cause pollution somewhere else on the planet. With subsidies it gets worse, as for each £1 they have to tax the unwilling public about £5, the overheads producing pollution somewhere else and increasing unemployment.

This is at present, of course. In future, the technology of batteries or fuel cells will hopefully improve.

There are still ways to improve a traditional engine. See, e.g., this video from KOENIGSEGG
https://youtu.be/S3cFfM3r510
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Re: Banning internal combustion engines

Postby q292u » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:19 pm

I don't dispute your figures. I'm just saying it doesn't matter - electric vehicles are coming.
If as much development work had been done on electric vehicles as was done on internal combustion, we wouldn't even be discussing it, it would have been the norm.

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Re: Banning internal combustion engines

Postby AlexB » Wed Nov 16, 2016 8:05 pm

I don't disagree, actually. Of course new technologies are coming. At present, I see the electrical and self-driving vehicles propped by the political powers with the only significant benefit of making the owners dependent on the providers, whoever they are. This is the reason I jumped into this conversation.

In the cities it is a different story. There will be eventually self-driving electric taxis connected to a global dispatcher grid, while keeping a personal car will be getting increasingly expensive. People will be buying subscriptions to use those taxis, voting for the politicians subsidising their deployment, while the face recognition network will be providing easy access to the subscribed facilities.

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Re: Banning internal combustion engines

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Re: Banning internal combustion engines

Postby Stranger » Fri Dec 02, 2016 3:31 pm

Had the opportunity to drive a Nissan Leaf the oter day, I pulled my face but the chap said, trust me you'll be surprised and I was, blooming nora what performance.

Now the car is without doubt pig ugly imo but, no RFL and a £1.54 charge gives around 150 miles driven normally (not thrashing it and not driving it like Miss Daisy either) from a standing start it's instant torque, stick your foot to the floor and it'll shock a lot but even when driving normally it's super impressive.

Looking at a Yaris Hybrid next for the wife, which with her job up and down rural roads will return upwards of 80mpg with no RFL and servicing costs only slightly raised from the petrol equivalent.
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Re: Banning internal combustion engines

Postby AlexB » Fri Dec 02, 2016 11:36 pm

Exactly my point! The advocates of the ban are the mayors who are all socialists, while the mayor of Madrid is actually a communist and the mayor of London is, how to say... Can we use opinions of somewhat less evil people?

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Re: Banning internal combustion engines

Postby AlexB » Sat Dec 03, 2016 12:00 am

Yea, Leaf's 11.5 seconds are not bad compared to... some other car. I think, its strength is commuting in start-stop traffic in summer. A couple of winters ago a South African owner of some sustainable energy company (it was still global warming at the time, now reversed) crashed his Leaf in our old Megane. The scratch polished off the Megane, but the other party was less lucky. This happened because the Leaf did not have enough energy to melt the ice from the windows, and the guy chose to drive blind.
The technicalities, however, are not the most important thing. These cars are subsidised, which may make one feel awkward (tinted windows may help).

Stranger wrote:Had the opportunity to drive a Nissan Leaf the oter day, I pulled my face but the chap said, trust me you'll be surprised and I was, blooming nora what performance.

Now the car is without doubt pig ugly imo but, no RFL and a £1.54 charge gives around 150 miles driven normally (not thrashing it and not driving it like Miss Daisy either) from a standing start it's instant torque, stick your foot to the floor and it'll shock a lot but even when driving normally it's super impressive.

Looking at a Yaris Hybrid next for the wife, which with her job up and down rural roads will return upwards of 80mpg with no RFL and servicing costs only slightly raised from the petrol equivalent.
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Re: Banning internal combustion engines

Postby robbie1003 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:06 am

Where does the electric come from to charge up all these green cars? Imsure it's not natural occurring.

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Re: Banning internal combustion engines

Postby robbie1003 » Fri Dec 16, 2016 10:15 am

Stranger wrote:Had the opportunity to drive a Nissan Leaf the oter day, I pulled my face but the chap said, trust me you'll be surprised and I was, blooming nora what performance.

Now the car is without doubt pig ugly imo but, no RFL and a £1.54 charge gives around 150 miles driven normally (not thrashing it and not driving it like Miss Daisy either) from a standing start it's instant torque, stick your foot to the floor and it'll shock a lot but even when driving normally it's super impressive.

Looking at a Yaris Hybrid next for the wife, which with her job up and down rural roads will return upwards of 80mpg with no RFL and servicing costs only slightly raised from the petrol equivalent.



Because we don't all use our vehicles in the same way or live in flat parts of the world then this creates a problem for a sole battery powered vehicle. Personally I live high in the pennines of Yorkshire and can't imagine a Nissan leafs charge being sufficient for this type of area letalone if you want to tow with it. In towns maybe they can and do work but this won't help with the congestion issues we suffer. Personally I believe different areas need a slightly different approach, not just one thing will work everywhere.

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Re: Banning internal combustion engines

Postby Stranger » Sat Dec 17, 2016 12:54 pm

robbie1003 wrote:
Stranger wrote:Had the opportunity to drive a Nissan Leaf the oter day, I pulled my face but the chap said, trust me you'll be surprised and I was, blooming nora what performance.

Now the car is without doubt pig ugly imo but, no RFL and a £1.54 charge gives around 150 miles driven normally (not thrashing it and not driving it like Miss Daisy either) from a standing start it's instant torque, stick your foot to the floor and it'll shock a lot but even when driving normally it's super impressive.

Looking at a Yaris Hybrid next for the wife, which with her job up and down rural roads will return upwards of 80mpg with no RFL and servicing costs only slightly raised from the petrol equivalent.



Because we don't all use our vehicles in the same way or live in flat parts of the world then this creates a problem for a sole battery powered vehicle. Personally I live high in the pennines of Yorkshire and can't imagine a Nissan leafs charge being sufficient for this type of area letalone if you want to tow with it. In towns maybe they can and do work but this won't help with the congestion issues we suffer. Personally I believe different areas need a slightly different approach, not just one thing will work everywhere.


Plenty hilly over here too and of course, useage, terrain etc all has an effect however, technology will develop to an extent that greatly lessens the issue and, going downhill and braking does put some charge back.
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